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Post By
Rich Dent

You guys know me – booth babe.

So last month at Leads-Con East, I am chatting with this guy who says he’s a big leads buyer.  He likes our LIVE Hot Transfer concept, and wants his enrollment officers to receive live, interested leads on the phone, but …

“Can’t you guys qualify them more?”

This comment shows how times have changed.  In the old days, companies were simply handing a fat pile of leads over to sales, and asking them to call them all.  It was like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

Then DoublePositive came along and found the needle in the hay stack.  We patented the LIVE Hot Transfer process, so that companies could receive phone calls from live consumers who were ready to talk with a salesperson.

Now this guy wanted to know if we could take it a step further and thread the needle for him.

“We do some simple qualifying,” I cautioned.  “But in my opinion, you should be careful what you ask for.  You might do yourself more harm than good.”

He said, “Why?  If I’m talking to people I can’t help, I want to filter those people out.”

“I understand,” I said.  “But you need to be careful who you filter out, or you will filter everybody out.”

“Not sure I follow,” he said.

I tried again.  “Think of it this way.  What if they have a family member you could help out? What if you discover there is another service or product you could provide?  You never know unless you talk to them.”

He shrugged.

“You are basically asking the call center agent to make that decision for you,” I said.  “That’s not wise.  What you should do is, let us eliminate those consumers who really had no interest of ever speaking to you about your product or service.  Let us take away that work for you.  And the rest?  Those who have raised their hand and said they want to talk to you?  You should take those calls as fast as I can transfer them to you.”

“I don’t know,” he said.  “There’s got to be an easier way.”

I gave him one of Sean’s great lines: “There’s nuggets of gold in the hills.  Finding them is the hard part – that’s our job.  It’s your job to work them.”

“Well, I need someone who will do all the work for me,” he said.

At this point I just had to laugh, shake his hand, and wish him luck.

So I’m writing this post to help folks understand.  There is a right way to use a LIVE hot transfer service and a wrong way.

If you want us to call your leads and transfer back only those that are ready to talk business, that’s the right way.

But you want us to call, qualify the lead, sell for you, close the deal and just send you the money …

Booth babe says, “Good luck.”

Post By
Rich Dent

When you’re hot, you’re hot, and DoublePositive is definitely hot.

First, we’re growing at a torrid pace.  That’s why we decided to bring both our DP East and DP West teams to LeadsCon East in New York last week.  Hopefully you got a chance to meet more of our talented people who are setting the industry on fire.

Second, we were happy to be in a position to underwrite LeadsCon East as Lead Sponsor this year.  DoublePositive has had a hot hand, and this is one small way we were able to give back to the community.

Third, to really spice things up, we brought our own hot sauce to the event.  It was a special fiery concoction that was brewed just for us.  We passed out 250 bottles in New York.  Yes, that’s me on the label.  Hot stuff, I know.

Are you tough enough to take the heat?  Can you handle all that Live Hot Transfers flavor?  If you were one of the fortunate (or unfortunate!) ones to pick up a bottle, let us know if your tongue survived.  And check back soon because I expect to have a few more posts about LeadsCon.

Post By
Rich Dent

Back in February, in my post How to Strengthen Contact Rates , I told you guys about the new inbound-outbound service DoublePositive had recently launched.

As I mentioned at the time, our contact rate is historically about 50% – but early this year, we saw that rate dipping.  We knew the problem had to do with smart phones and the personal firewall they create.  According to the most recent Nielsen report, as of December 2010, 31% of cell phone users in the United States are smartphone users.

Show of hands.  If I called you on your smart phone right now, and you didn’t recognize the number, would you answer?

Probably not.  Over 90% of consumers would ignore an unknown number, according to an informal survey I ran on Facebook.  But those same consumers said they probably would call back if the caller tried to reach them more than once.  Wouldn’t you?

Our new inbound call-back service was born.

So, are they calling us back?

It’s still very early, and so far, we’ve limited our test to mortgage leads.  But I can tell you definitively that we’ve seen a lot of call-backs.  And when they call, one of two things is happening.  Either they hang up right away (“Oh, it’s ABC Mortgage.  I don’t feel like talking to them right now”), or they stay on the phone because they are interested in speaking with a representative.  Those in the second category are transferring at 70%, a very high rate.

What does that mean to lead buyers and lead sellers?

It means we are improving the performance of your leads.  Keep in mind, those call-backs are consumers we previously never would have been able to contact.

As a result of this early success, we decided to roll out our call-back service across all verticals.  Our new test group is 80% of all the leads we are dialing on, and we are holding 20% back as a control group.  I will share the results as soon as comparative data becomes available.

Meantime, we’re still asking ourselves, what else can we do to get people to call us back?

Local versus 800

At LeadsCon in Vegas last month, DoublePositive partner Joey Liner spoke on a panel with Ken Krogue, President of InsideSales.com, a dialer manufacturer.  Ken confirmed what DoublePositive had long suspected.  He said that InsideSales.com had seen a nice uplift in performance by displaying local numbers to consumers, instead of 800 numbers.

In our experience, this seemed true.  Prior the conference, we had conducted another informal survey on Facebook.  We asked, would you be more likely to answer the phone if the caller was a local number versus an 800 number?  Again, over 90% of consumers told us they would be more likely to answer a local number, because it might be someone they know.

DoublePositive decided to test this theory.  We reached out to one of our key clients in the mortgage industry, and will perform a test on the leads we dial on their behalf.  The expectation is that using local numbers will increase our contact and transfer rates.  We’ll let you know how it goes.

Needs evolve.  Buying habits change.  The important thing for all of us is to keep innovating.  Stay ahead of the curve, and you’ll be ready for where the market takes you next.

Your turn.  What are you doing to get consumers to call you back?

Post By
Rich Dent

I have been silent for a few weeks, but for good reasons. March was just a crazy month for us at DoublePositive. We had our best month with respect to Hot transfers.  We had LeadsCon 2011, the Lending Tree Summit, March Madness and Opening Day for the Baltimore Orioles!  I am back and have some good stuff I want to share with everyone.

This year in Vegas was my 4^th LeadsCon, and I must say, the growth of this event has been nothing short of amazing.  At 2500 participants, word has clearly gotten out.  More lead buyers from more verticals are realizing how important it is to attend the pioneering conference for the online lead generation industry.  And why not?  They get a valuable take-away: Information that can revolutionize their sales function.

My role at LeadsCon this year was “booth babe” – I didn’t spend a lot of time in break-out sessions but stayed out on the floor where I could talk directly with hundreds of lead buyers and take a pulse on what’s really happening out there.  Here are some things I heard:

The pain is spreading

Problems that used to affect only the mortgage industry have spread other lead-buying sectors as well (for-profit education, insurance, home services, automotive, real estate, etc.).  I even met some great people from the 2^nd largest supplier of diabetic equipment in the country, who said they purchased thousands of leads per month.  They told me, “It may take us an hour or two to get back to a lead – and by then it’s too late.”  Sound familiar?

The pain is deepening

I also spoke with a lot of companies that were afraid to expand their businesses.  They knew that simply buying more leads wouldn’t work, because then they would have to invest heavily in recruiting, hiring, training to expand the sales floor – all of which could take months, whereas they needed results immediately.  Have you been there?

The solution is working

And then there were the dozens of folks I spoke with who were already fully aware of the value of LIVE hot transfers.  I got to spend quality time among friends who had successfully leveraged our process and grown their businesses.  Here are some of the success stories I heard:

• “I know I can start buying more leads tomorrow and send them to my top guys, increasing lead flow overnight without missing a beat.”
• “We are talking to interested consumers within minutes, not hours.”
• “We were able to ramp up without hiring.”
• “We love how flexible hot transfers are.  Now we can speed up or slow down the lead flow at a moment’s notice, unlike call centers, which put us on the hook for a certain amount of leads per month, even when we can’t handle them.”

One great thing about meeting people in new verticals is that our service is plug-and-play.  It makes no difference to us if they are in mortgage, for-profit education, insurance, or even diabetic equipment.  We make their phone ring with live, qualified consumers who are interested in talking with a sales professional.  Everyone can win.

I have more to share about LeadsCon, so check back soon.  Meantime, drop me a note in the comments section below – what issues did you hear people dealing with?

Post By
Joey Liner

DoublePositive Chief Revenue Officer Casey Cook will be speaking on a panel titled “Fish Where the Fishing is Good – Scoring to Provide Visibility into the “Right” Leads for Buyers and Sellers.” at 3:00pm on Wednesday March 2nd.  Come by for this exciting panel.  Joining Casey will be Walid Kakoush, VP of Marketing and Admissions for EDMC OHE, and Vince Lewis, Managing Director of ClassesUSA. Hosting the panel will be Chris McArdle Executive Director, Interactive Markets, TARGUSinfo.

Post By
Brian Ocheltree

How to Use the Supplier Lead Funnel to Optimize Supply and Maximize Sales Volume

Summary

• Supplier leads should be used appropriately to help optimize your growth
• Lead-Buyers can improve overall lead performance by connecting to more suppliers
• Lead-Buyers can overcome the typical technology integration hurdles with new Quick-Connect options
• A broad source of suppliers optimized on cost-per-sale-per-supplier creates aligned incentives for buyers and sellers

Understanding the Role of Supplier Leads

No one would question that supplier leads are almost always lower quality than branded leads. Branded leads are typically highly motivated and proactive consumers who are “in market”. They are usually exclusive, as well. The combination makes these the highest quality leads possible, and most likely to convert.

So why, then, would Lead-Buyers EVER want a lead from a lead supplier?

The reason is usually scale required to hit sales goals. Companies are limited in how many branded leads they can create cost-effectively. Once this point is reached, the cost-per-lead can sky rocket, making the ultimate cost-per-sale much too high. If a company has maximized its volume of cost-effective branded leads, wherever that point may be, and yet still needs sales growth, supplier leads are usually the next best option, by far. The quality may be lower, but the price is usually low, relatively speaking, and the available volume very high, if not unlimited for most buyers. If a buyer can make the economics work with supplier leads, meaning they can convert enough of them to obtain a reasonable cost-per-sale, then the injection of supplier leads into a sales floor can help a buyer attain almost any desired sales growth.

In our opinion, it is this combination of branded leads first, then supplier leads to fill the gap, that all Lead Buyers should consider when planning the best method of integrating supplier leads into their sales and marketing efforts.

The Power of Connecting to Many

Another simple fact: Lead-Buyers can lower their cost-per-lead and improve their ability to optimize lead flow by connecting to many suppliers.

There are several reasons to diversify supply sources as much as possible. First, having multiple supply sources creates more potential lead volume. Having more volume allows you to extract the performance of each supplier, and optimize towards the best performers.

Second, being connected to more suppliers increases the number of original lead generators, as opposed to lead aggregators or wholesalers, who buy from lead generators and resell to customers like you. This shift creates transparency that can help in your efforts to find the best performing leads sources. If all leads are purchased through an aggregator, you loose transparency to the original lead source, and then are dependent upon the aggregator for your supply source optimization. It is hard to know what an aggregator’s criteria might be when optimizing their supply sources.

Physically Connecting with New Suppliers Overnight – Third Party Connectivity Services

Despite the benefit of doing so, it can be challenging for Lead Buyers to connect with multiple Lead Supply sources and optimize lead flow to the top performers. We have seen firsthand from many clients that getting connected to new suppliers can take months, if not a year or more, due to the technical and testing requirements with each data feed. This level of complexity and cost prevents most companies from engaging with any but the largest of Lead Suppliers, at least initially, thus limiting their supply diversification.

One solution to this problem is to utilize a third-party connectivity platform. For example, DoublePositive’s Lead Funnel facilitates and automates the physical connection to many lead sources automatically, allowing Lead-Buyers to build one physical connection that is already connected to multiple supply sources, while allowing them to maintain a direct relationship with the supplier.

Lead Funnels are basically platforms that have already built XML connections to the suppliers. They can handle the connectivity and translation issues required, typically much more quickly and cost effectively. Here’s how it works:

In the above illustration, a Lead-Buyer in the Auto Insurance sector is using a DoublePositive Lead Funnel to solve this exact problem. The Lead Funnel consists of robust physical connections to all Lead Suppliers, combined with a proprietary Translation Engine that handles the entire custom data mapping per supply source. By building one connection to the DoublePositive Lead Funnel, the company can be connected to virtually every supplier, large and small, very quickly and efficiently.

In addition to reducing the time and cost of connecting to new supply sources, this type of third-party platform allows large Lead-Buyers to justify building connections to smaller suppliers, thus increasing the pool of available supply sources.

Using the Supplier Lead Funnel to Reduce Cost-Per-Sale-Per-Supplier

The Supplier Lead Funnel model overcomes the typical technology integration hurdle for Lead-Buyers looking to add new suppliers. Now that you are connected, how do you optimize for top performance?

The most effective way to optimize for top performance is to track conversions, or sales, and run cost-per-sale-per-suppler models. Incremental metrics – such as cost-per-contact, cost-per-transfer, transfer ratio, or cost-per-lead – can also be used as lower value, but real-time optimization metrics.

Understandably, that’s easier to do in some verticals than others, because of varying sales cycles. For example, in the auto insurance sector, a two-week sales cycle should be enough to give a feel for the quality of a lead source. In the mortgage sector, the sales cycle is a bit longer, whereas for-profit education has the longest sales cycle.

Services exist, such as DoublePositive, that will track conversion metrics for you. Companies can do it on their own, as well. Lead-Buyers with the ability to track can match conversions against leads and calculate the cost-per-sale-per-supplier on a monthly basis. They can then optimize by giving the bulk of the volume to their best performer.

When Conversion Data Is Not Available

What to do if your company cannot get conversion data? One option is to use performance data gathered through a process such as the DoublePositive Hot Transfer process, that provide real time metrics that are highly correlated to lead quality.

For example, you could use metrics such as “Contact” percentage, “Not Interested” percentage, or “Invalid Phone Number” percentage as an indicator of lead quality to compare multiple leads sources.

The Value of Transfer Ratio

The next best metric to optimize against, after conversion data, is the transfer ratio. The transfer ratio gives the strongest indication of lead quality, because it indicates the strength of leads relative to four key hurdles:

1) Consumers have been physically contacted

2) Consumer interest is confirmed

3) Consumers are qualified

4) Consumers are willing to hold on and be successfully transferred to the lead buyer by phone.

If any of those hurdles fail, the call is not transferred. But if all those hurdles are cleared, and the call is transferred, that is probably a very good lead.

Another benefit to transfer data: It is usually available within a second of the transaction, allowing you to optimize your lead sources in real-time, without spending more money on underperformers.

How to Optimize Toward Top Suppliers

As stated above, Lead-Buyers who have sufficient lead volume, along with the ability to track their conversion ratios, can match conversions against leads and calculate the cost-per-sale-per-supplier on a monthly basis. They can then optimize by giving the bulk of the volume to their best performer.

Why Let Suppliers Know You Are Optimizing

Another useful strategy is letting your suppliers know that you are optimizing your lead sources, and that the best performers will get the bulk of the volume. This allows you to create a Champion/Challenger environment where the top performer puts pressure on the weaker performers, and the incentives of the suppliers are aligned with yours: Namely, finding and optimizing their best sources of leads.

We have found suppliers to be very receptive to receiving data on their performance (cost per sale, for example), as long as they are given some conversion data to help them optimize on their end. This is especially true if they know that doing so could raise the lead volume that you are willing to purchase from them.

This is a productive and healthy win-win environment.

The Ability to Control Capacity Variability

In this light, the primary role of the supplier lead, tied to the Lead Funnel, is to improve the most important growth metric: cost-per-sale-per-supplier. More lead volume from more supply sources, with whom you are more transparent, equates to a lower cost-per-sale.

There is another benefit to using the Supplier Lead Funnel: increased control.

Companies striving to hit a growth goal will, at some point, need to hire more salespeople. The problem is that salespeople are fixed costs that don’t go away, whereas organic lead flow is variable.

Having variable control over volume allows companies to handle the inevitable ebb and flow or self-generated leads. The Supplier Lead Model provides this level of control. Lead-Buyers have almost complete control over volume, up or down, which they use to level out the accumulative lead flow on top of their organic lead flow. This gives companies control over capacity variability, and allows them to grow.

Review

What options are available for companies looking to grow beyond the capacity of their self-generated leads? Let’s review the facts.

1. Every company should maximum their high quality branded leads first
2. Supplier leads play a key role in growing the company as well. Putting plans in place to connect to multiple supply sources allows Lead-Buyers to lower the cost-per-sale and optimize for top performance
3. Though building connections to new supply sources is costly and difficult, new options are becoming available all the time to help, such as the DoublePositive Lead Funnel. Therefore, we recommend that all large Lead Buyers continuously search for new supply sources
4. Using a Supplier Lead Funnel significantly improves the most important growth metric: cost-per-sale-per-supplier
5. Companies that have control over cost-per-sale-per-supplier, and have control over capacity variability, are poised to grow

Post By
Sean Fenlon

It was a pleasant surprise to come to work today and see a late-night conversation I had at LeadsCon East 2010 with my friend Mike Ferree reflected on his blog.

Mike’s LeadCritic blog has blossomed in parallel with the blossoming of the LeadsCon franchise.  While chatting, we were reminiscing about how far the Lead Generation space has come since the first LeadsCon in 2008. 

But before LeadsCon there was the (now almost forgotten) UN-conference Leads2007.  And before Leads2007 the progressive visionaries at TARGUSinfo had launched their annual Online Lead Quality Summit (now re-named Interactive Insights Summit).

After the 2nd TARGUSinfo Summit in 2007, I remember being amazed by how different people used different basic terms (such as “lead” or “click”) to mean different things.  It prompted me to write a blog post titled “What is a Lead, What is Lead Generation”:

http://blogs.doublepositive.com/2007/09/24/what-is-lead-generation-what-is-a-lead/

I have always been of the mindset that there is no such thing as a “Lead Generation Industry” per se.  I believe that the Lead Generation ecosystem is actually a subset of the ADVERTISING industry, and that buying and selling on a per-lead basis is actually buying and selling performance-based advertising.

I tried to provide a history of the Advertising Industry evolving to Performance-based Delivery Models in a blog post written in June 2007 titled “Online Performance-based Marketing Overview – Part I” (I never did complete Part II but that is a different story ;-)).

Despite my blog-based lecture and the early tradeshows, in 2007 there was still a great deal of confusion around even the most basic terms and concepts such as clicks, leads, and lead generation.  Here’s a quote from my experience at the TARGUSinfo Summit in 2007:

A conversation I had with the CEO of a major shopping engine was referring to an Internet user “clicking” on a link to visit a the site of an e-commerce retailer as a “lead.”  I found that rather strange use of a the lexicon – we have always referred to such a phenomenon as a “click” and pricing models are this type of user action are typically Cost-per-Click (CPC).

My confusion was compounded when I witnessed a panel-discussion about “lead quality,” but the advertiser on the panel only paid out when a sale occured:

Later in the day, ValueClick and Scholastic, Inc. gave a case study of how offers made for Dr. Seuss books in a co-registration environment resulted in completed “sales.”  However, in the PowerPoint presentation, they referred to the completed sales as “leads.”  We have always referred to transactions that are fully-completed online as “sales” and this type of user action are typically priced as Cost-per-Sale (CPS).  Another way to support this position is to think of yourself as an advertiser that ONLY pays the advertising cost when a sale is completed – I don’t think you’re too concerned with “lead quality” since the quality is essentially perfect every time you are asked to pay.

I summed up my frustration by defining the absolute differences between a click, a lead, and a sale:

A lead is NOT a click.  A lead is NOT a completed transaction.

A lead IS a consumer’s “Expression of Interest” in a product or service offer.  Using this definition, an “Expression of Interest” is typically represented by an action or form-fill process (anywhere to 1 field of contact information such as an email address to dozen of fields of information).

Of course, if there is confusion amongst simple terms/concepts such as clicks, leads, and sales, you can imagine my frustration over the past 6 years with a market that tended to conceptualize a LIVE Hot Transfers as nothing more than a very expensive lead.  We even designed a special diagram to illustrate the distinct difference of each method of buying and selling.  Many of you may have seen this slide before because we use it every chance we get:

In my conversation with Mike at LeadsCon, we both agreed that while the space has matured (and the tradeshows have grown), there is still a great deal of uncertainty and confusion in the meaning of words we use everyday in performance-based marketing.  As a strong industry advocate, Mike decided to use the voice of his blog to try galvanize a lexicon and thus improve communications across the industry.  I admire him for that and I hope that I can aid the effort.

It’s a simple concept but one worth pounding on over and over.  I like to work backwards from the demand-side of the equation with the concept that ALL leads cost money but only some will actually make money. 

At the end of the day, a consumer buys a product or service or they don’t. It’s absolute.

However, there are other absolute milestones along the way… was a consumer presented with an offer or weren’t they (CPM)? Did they click on the ad/offer or didn’t they (CPC)? Did they express interest by taking an action or didn’t they (CPA/CPL)? And my personal favorite… did they agree to be transferred and speak to a sales rep or didn’t they (CPT)?

Of course there are countless dependencies and nuanced correlations in the shades of gray in between those milestones that can be analyzed and optimized, but I feel as though identifying the absolute milestones in the wireframe of a sales funnel is Step 1 and Position A.

EPILOGUE:

In Mike’s post, he playfully refers to me as “Maestro,” presumably referring to my academic music background.  While I’m dubious the new nickname will stick, I had to share the irony that I just recently completed a BUSINESS book titled “Maestro.”

This short book by conductor Roger Nierenberg uses a symphony orchestra as a metaphor for any dynamic organization (business or otherwise).  He describes “The Music Paradigm” for developing organizations.  I found this book to be 100% consistent with my experience in symphony orchestras and dynamic business organizations – I highly recommend it.

If, however, you are more of a viewer and less
of a reader, this TED presentation by a different Maestro Itay Talgam touches upon many of the same concepts and tenets.  It’s an excellent video presentation with a wonderful final example of world-class leadership by Leonard Bernstein beginning at about 19:00.

If you love something, give it away.

Cheers.

SPF

 

Post By
Sean Fenlon

The DoublePositive LIVE Hot Transfers Workshop for Lead Buyers & Lead Sellers:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/26897401/DoublePositive-LeadsCon-Las-Vegas-Presentation-2010

 

A picture of the LIVE workshop panel discussion (with a killer slide in the background):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seanfenlon/4382869517/sizes/l/

 

Blog coverage of LeadsCon 2010:

http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=leadscon

 

LeadsCon 2010 Twitter status updates:

http://twitter.com/#search?q=leadscon

 

Pictures from LeadsCon 2010  on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=leadscon&s=rec

 

Best word to describe LeadsCon 2010:

Incredible

 

Cheers (until LeadsCon east) to all who attended! :-)

SPF

Post By
Sean Fenlon

I have no idea, but here’s my guess:

Rock star, CEO, CXO, President, Founder, SVP, EVP, or VP – 60%

All other titles – 40%

So those are the odds.

The over/under is 1,500.

Did I mention LeadsCon is in Las Vegas? ;-)

SPF