25 Mar
Posted by Sean Fenlon as Industries, Mortgage
Frankly, there has been a lot of bad press and mis-information strewn about with regards the market collapse of several publicly-trade sub-prime mortgage lenders. The media and the grapevine will always spotlight the crisis stories and scandals involving individuals or organizations in the mortgage industry. Facts seldom interfere with an exciting story.
A recent New York Times report by Gretchen Morgenson featured the headline “Crisis Looms in Market for Mortgages” (notice the lack of sub-prime qualifier, as the article went on to suggest ALL mortgage lending will be affected).
Other Headlines from Google News include:
For weeks now, I have remained uninvolved with the nonsense. However, this morning I turned on my TV to watch CNN and quickly realized why there is such negative sentiment against the mortgage industry. While previously silent, I have finally felt enough urge to fight back against the mis-information, with the help of the logic-stick of course.
CNN Open House w/ Gerri Willis – Sub-prime Mortgage Market
I have feedback for Gerri Willis after watching her interview with mortgage industry association representatives on Saturday, March 24, 2007. Below is the official program description of Gerri’s program on the CNN TV site:
Open House: Home loans going bust all over the country. Now, Congress is stepping in. Watch a special edition of “Open House” this weekend from Washington
DC, covering the first mortgage meltdown hearings on Capitol Hill.
Gerri is a reporter for CNN and she interviewed senior representatives from the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) and the NAMB, or National Association of Mortgage Brokers (sorry guys, I did not write down your names and I am not finding a video archive of the interview in my searches). Gerri’s questioning appeared as though she was in search of some monolithic blame for the recent sub-prime meltdown. It also appeared as though Gerri was pursuing a response from either mortgage industry representatives to absorb 100% of the blame and issue and nationwide mea culpa. As I watched it, I was scratching my head… At one point during the interview, it was suggested to Gerri that the consumers need more education about their mortgage choices, to which she was quick to mock this otherwise indisputable idea with “So, it’s the consumer’s fault that they were stuck with option arms… come on! PLEASE!!!”
“So, what’s my monthly payment? Cuz, the LOWER the BETTER right now”
Actually, Gerri, YES. At least half the blame falls on the shoulders of the consumers. Mortgage industry representatives cannot say this on national TV, but I can blog about it. The vast majority of foreclosures are not from loans where consumers are victims of fraud, coerced, over-sold, or otherwise deceived in any way (I won’t bore you with the stats or research here, but if you look into it on Google for five minutes, it will confirm my claims). Rather, the average consumer prefers the immediate lowest payment that they can get even with full-awareness of the implications for the future. Frankly, today’s consumer seldom cares about the future, at the moment at hand, at least. They live paycheck to paycheck today, and they will worry about next year when next year comes. Without question, these are politically incorrect and otherwise offensive things to say about “the consumer,” but take a look to your left and to your right, amongst friends and family – you know this individual that I am describing above. It is a reality. Are these low-payment-seeking consumers qualified to make payments at the higher levels? Actually, at the time that the consumer is approved for a new loan, they absolutely are. However, like getting a raise, monthly savings as a result of refinancing or lower-cost mortgage options are often gobbled up by net-new expenses (new car, new credit cards, new unexpected circumstance, etc.).
The Role of Government? Laissez-faire, please.
Consumer lending is one of the most regulated industries. There are piles and piles of federal, state, and local laws protecting consumers from unacceptable lending practices. It should be made clear that the recent sub-prime mortgage correction was a not a result of violations of existing laws. Thus, net new laws would likely struggle to make any incremental impact. Thus, I vote for hands-off government policy on this one. The only new laws that could come out would be designed to save me from myself, and this is not a helpful or healthy type of law.
Piggy-backing recent comments by Countrywide CEO, Angelo Mozila, it is not the “product” per se (i.e. type of loan), but rather the use of the product. This concept reminds me of Sony’s landmark win over the Motion Pictures Association of America (MPAA) and Jack Valenti in the 1970’s. The Supreme Court deemed that the Sony Betamax had “significant non-infringing uses,” and thus, Sony was allowed to continue the marketing of their product (Jack claimed it would be the death of the industry).
Lower payment loans are “products” and an option offered by the mortgage industry. So, should a responsible government make these types of loans illegal? I certainly hope not. Many mortgage borrowers would be severely and negatively impacted by the lack of choice. I consider myself in that group.
Defaults will, however, happen – always have and always will. Our human hearts feel for any other human or family that is forced from their home, but the number will always be greater than 1. We could probably argue all day about what absolute number or percentage of foreclosures that can be considered “acceptable,” but the reality is that our individual opinions just don’t matter in a market-driven economy. In other words, the “Wisdom of Crowds” will always prevail.
Risk Modeling
However, predicting foreclosures needs to be MUCH MORE accurately factored into the mortgage risk models so that the end Wall Street investors providing the liquidity of these loans (equal victims in this meltdown, at least) are not scared away by inferior returns, thus negatively impacting an entire ecosystem. This aspect of “risk modeling” is where the mortgage industry must share in the blame for the meltdown. The problem is not the loans unto themselves, but it is the “price” of the loans that was the problem. Frankly, there is no such thing as a “bad” loan portfolio on Wall Street. Rather, merely “mis-priced” loan portfolios. The more accurate pricing and modeling we should expect the future to bring will allow a handsome return for investors despite market-driven foreclosures. I suspect sub-prime originations will return in force shortly, but with higher rates and tougher underwriting standards to ensure a profitably transaction over the life of the loans. Where the industry quickly lost 20%, I predict it will quickly re-gain the very best performing 15% of the original 20%. The other 5% may be gone forever and the market would say “good riddance.”
Final Words to Gerri & CNN
Let the market work, Gerri. Let foreclosures wake up poor-financial-planning consumers. And please, do not limit my choices as a result of their foreclosures, nor blame those product choices currently available to me for what has happened. The market pricing, the consumer qualifications, and the end-result of it all will work itself out.
SPF
16 Responses
Carol M. Barnhardt
April 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
1I too, would like to respond to the CNN interview and the proposal of additional limits/restrictions on lending to be placed by Washington. As a member of the real estate/mortgage industry for over 30 years, this cycle shows itself regularly. The “Option ARM” programs, which seem to have been attacked lately are not “bad loans”. They do in fact serve a purpose for certain consumers but not all. To use this type of program to “get in cheap” is not and was never the purpose of this type of loan. Certainly there are some mortgage originators that did not fully explain or understand these loans and shame on them, but more so, shame on the consumer that “heard what they wanted to hear” and now want to place the blame for their non-payment on the lender. We have become a society of not accepting responsiblity for our decisions, good or bad. We are always looking to place the blame on another party for a decision that is no longer comfortable for us. Surely there should be regulation in this industry, however, eliminating products because of misuse of that product by the consumer is not fair to the consumers who have utilized the program as it should have been used.
I strongly urge all consumers to check the lenders they choose to work with. Take responsibility to fully understand the program you will be using to purchase or refinance your home. If you do not understand, ask questions. If you do not get answers that you understand, then perhaps you need a different lender that could help you understand better.
This is a necessary cleansing cycle right now. Loans were made to consumers who under more conservative underwriting guidelines, would have not ever received a mortgage. We are hearing about those that are not making the payments, but what about the ones that were given that chance and have realized the “American Dream”!
http://www.BarnhardtLendingTeam.com
OLGA L. GARCIA
April 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
2There is no one person to blame. it is greed from everybody,from the banker to broker. instead of making more sales, they used the low interest to sell houses to everybody in the world. the richer got richest and had made the properties more expensive and now nobody can afford them. The cities played the same game and now customers can not even afford to pay taxes. Who played who?We Just filled in the of money pits of greed one more time for them
Kathy Lawler
April 5th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
3AMEN!! I applause your response-thank you so very much!
Dan Garcia
April 6th, 2007 at 12:21 am
4I was reading the local rag which I usually never do, but my wife stuck it under my nose. As the reporter noted, in an effort to help others who are in the market for a mortgage these people have voluntered their story and their embarrassment. The “victim” goes on the explain the 3/27 mortgage they accepted to purchase their dream home was the cause of their eminent foreclosure. The loan they took made the payment affordable and they felt by the time it would increase they would have equity in the home to possibly refinance and their pay increases from their jobs would off set the possible payment increases. Unfortunately, in the third year of their loan Mr. Borrower lost his job and used up their savings, the car broke down and had to be replaced and they end up with a few 30 day lates and could not refinance because of their current credit. So, the jest of the story “IT WAS THE ADJUSTABLE RATE INCREASE THAT THEY COULD NOT AFFORD THAT COST THEM THEIR HOUSE.” I was never a fan of the subprime loans, but it can not be just the adjustments alone that is causing the problems. It has to be the combination of life circumstances, poor financial judgment, but it has to be the consumer who ulimately must take a portion of the blame.
John Galt
April 13th, 2007 at 3:53 am
5I thought about posting a blog saying my experience after at least dozens of residential residence mortgages over the past 25 years has not been getting tricked into something that was ill-advised for me, but having underwriting constraints that were too strict!
Personally, I was frustrated by the paternalistic attitude and constant suspicion that everything I told them was a lie: every dollar in my savings account had to be “source checked.”
Isn’t it ironic that I (who have paid millions of mortgage payments and never once been late) have always perceived the residential loan process as being something I had to “trick” to avoid the limitations of an overly restrictive model rather than ever feeling “tricked” into something I couldn’t afford? We must be living in an upside-down world: those who can afford are held back and those who can’t are pushed ahead!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know we are all victims and never to blame as the likely source for most (but not all) of our own problems!
Linda
May 9th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
6First I would like to say WOW to all the other comments here.
I have worked as a loan processor for almost 3 yrs now, this job is fantastic! I love to help others obtain their dreams.
So much of what is said in all these comments are true.
First, the consumer is most responsible. This is THEIR life decisions. They need to know everything upfront. Ask questions! This is something I tell all clients. Dont feel that a question is stupid, no question is and who would not want to know the answers pertaining to their future? I have found that many don’t. They just want the house, do anything to get it!
I remember when I bought my first home, years ago. If you had a bankruptcy or a foreclosure there was no getting a loan for 10 years! You paid a price for your mistake even if it was a mistake of being ignorant. A big price. And homes were only bought with money down. I bought when the rates were dropping from the low 20% getting a rate of just under 14% because me and my husband had great credit! I have seen clients with bankruptcies whine and complain getting 10% interest rate. Do they not know how fortunate they are?
I agree that no loan is a bad loan maybe misfitted to the client. That is the job of the lender or broker to make sure the program fits the need.
As for arms…these are what we call starter loans. We tell the clients you are making all your payment on time that by time the arm comes around you can refinance at a better rate and fixed. The problem with this is so many just continue to do as they did before and a repeat of bad habits will reflect on those scores as before or even cost the client their home.
If the government feels they should get involved in all of this, I can only agree with one way. I think in our school systems is where it should begin. The should be a life class that is mandatory to take. We take classes that so many of us never use in our everyday life. Our society figures its not important to learn how to balance a checkbook, the importance of having good credit scores and how to obtain them, nor the importance to knowing the loans to buying a house. Such a shame. And then everyone wants to blame the lender, the broker, the loan officer, the loan processor anyone but themselves.
KNOWLEDGE is the answer……..spread it!
Clare
August 25th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
7I would like information on your show on Saturday, August 25th at approximately 9:00am-9:30am. I caught the end of it.
If you have information for potential home buyers regarding mortgages, what to watch out for etc. How the house market affects new buyers - postitive/negative I would really appreciate it.
Thank you very much!
Clare
al
September 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pm
8like they say bad things happen to good people. you live pay check to pay check and now we are an arm, it will adjust in 2009. the cost of living is not keeping up with the world today, everything has skyrocketed and they expect the people to live like that? while the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer. people are so scared they are going to loose their house, we are one of those people. then people wonder why their kids think what is there to love for? we do not have a chance in the world to buy a house….we need to have the federal government step in and help everyone to keep this economy going and save our houses….thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!
chris
December 6th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
9After watching CNN today I was motivated to write a letter and here is what I wrote.
This morning you mentioned that in order to refinance a home you need to have a minimum credit score of 650. Here is the quote from your transcripts of the show.
Aired December 6, 2007 - 10:00 ET
“WILLIS: Well, refinancing is a whole different ball game than it was say two years ago. These days if you want to refi, you’ll have to have a decent credit score of 650 or higher. You’ll need to document your income and your assets. And you’ll need at least 10 percent of equity in order to refinance.”
Then later today I heard the live report online at CNN.COM that stated a minimum credit score of 660 was the requirement. I work for a mortgage company and I have a refinance loan product available today that requires a minimum credit score of only 540. I also have programs that don’t require a credit score at all. The misinformation that is being presented is very harmful and I expect that many people will believe that they won’t qualify for a refinance after watching your show when in actuality they might. Could you please do some research into this matter and get back to me with when you may air a retraction of the misleading comments made about these requirements?
I hope to here better reporting soon.
Sandy Karol
January 15th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
10Gerri, after watching your segment today, Jan 15, 2008, on foreclosures in some Michigan communities, I believe you should not insinuate that the eight foreclosures on the street you were standing on were all due to adjustable rate mortgages and/or predatory lending practices. It certainly is a fact that many people have opted for some form of adjustable rate mortgage(s) to keep their initial payments low, but this does not necessarily result in the reason for the foreclosures. Unplanned changes in the consumer’s life may have reduced their income and/or inflated their expenses. Consumers need to take responsibility for their actions - perhaps considering the worst case scenario - if the unexpected was to befall them - to prepare for the uncertain future.
Also, just because a consumer “qualifies” for a mortgage, does not indicate that they will be able to make the payments on time for the term of the loan whether it is a fixed or ARM. Only the borrower knows their own personal spending habits that are not always spelled out in their financials or on the credit report when approving them for a loan. Also, many foreclosures could be the result of medical bills for unexpected illness or unplanned employment changes. Gerri, as you are slamming the mortgage industry, I don’t see you stating why House A is in foreclosure and why House B next door is in foreclosure or House C, D, E, F, G & H. These may not be because of the adjustable mortgages.
craig
February 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
11Here, in a nutshell is what caused the mortgage meltdown and how we can stop the downward spiral.
When the Federal Funds rate went down to 1% after 9/11, mortgate rates were so low that it allowed many buyers, who otherwise couldnt afford to buy a home to now buy one. There always existed subprime loans in one form or another, but after 9/11 subprime loan products were derived that allowed Borrowers to use Stated Income loans rather than Fully Documented loans with no money down and 100% financing.
The problem is that 100% Stated income loans were supposed to be for Buyers acquring the home as a primary residence. However, investors would apply for numerous 100% stated income loans at a time with no money down before they showed up on their credit reports in order to ‘flip’ the homes to someone else for a profit. These investors had no intention of using the home as their primary residences.
The buying frenzy exploded as legitmate home buyers some who lied on their credit applications that their stated income was higher then it was and those who didnt lie were now competing with the investors who all were lying. As prices escalated, the federal Reserve began to raise interest rates which caused the housing market to peak in the summer of 2004 which caused the real estate market to get shaky and then when all sub-prime lenders pulled back from stated income loans in early 2007 the elimination of the 100% financing and no money down loans has caused a triple whammy.
1) Legitimate buyers who could make payments now couldnt make payments because interest increases caused their payment to rise.
2) Investors who lied couldn’t make payments because payments rose above what rents they could collect on the homes they bought. 3) First time home buyers couldnt qualify for loans, cuz they now needed a down payment and the interest rates were now to high for them to qualify.
Kudlow and Company recently stated in one of their programs that 70% of all sub prime mortgages were misrepresented by either investors who said they were going to live in the homes and they didn’t intend to live in it; and by both , buyers who did intened to live in the home and investors who over stated their income to an amount sufficient to allow them to buy the home. Not only did buyers lie, but lenders were making so much money they never audited the loans that came in or never trained their mortgage underwriters or officers to make sure that people were not lying on their applications. In some cases, borrowers deliberately lied in other cases mortgage brokers lied and misled the borrower so they could make a commission.
You can now see the result. The demand for homes has slowed to a trickle causing homes to go to foreclosure and people wanting to sell their homes now having to compete with repos and short sales. When will it stop ? Nobody knows !
Prior to 9/11, FHA loans were basically the subprime loans used by buyers with little down payment and low credit standards with the only exception that FHA would verify and document income. However, after 9/11 borrowers moved to the creative loan products by conventional lenders because conventional lenders did loans on stated income not verified income.
Now that we have the mortgage mess, foreclosures will stay on a credit report for 7 years for conventional loans and only 3 years for FHA. There are many people who could get an FHA loan right now with little money down and make payments, but cant for three years under FHA guidelines. The way to create demand for more homebuyers and to keep prices from spiraling downward would be some form of amnesty to buyers who have good credit with the exception of the foreclosure. This would get demand back into the housing market to help support the prices.
LaRhonda Ferguson
November 12th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
12I am a single mother and just looking back on the story about joe the plumber, there are also more people out there that are about to lose their homes. I am one of the majority of people who was working at a job for four years, when a co-worker decides that she wants to cause problems for me. I was terminated in May of 2008 and falsely accused of throwing paper on a desk and was denied unemployment. Since I have been out of work for six months, my house is in foreclosure and also my car is in repossession.
Doug
February 21st, 2009 at 2:32 pm
13I was wondering if the government was going to help pay for my new car loan, like they are with the mortgages, since my car is now worth less than when I bought it a few months ago?
Lorton, Va
Leah
November 19th, 2009 at 5:12 am
14How do you like using wordpress so far? I’m thinking about putting up a new blog install and still debating between wordpress and joomla
finance advice
February 11th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
15If we could look back and know that the housing crisis would cause a worldwide economic recession then lots more would have been done to prevent it and cause little damage globally. There were people of Wall Street that got greedy and wanted to make a lot of money from bad choices and this is how it ended up.
finance advice
February 12th, 2010 at 8:45 am
16One of the key reasons for housing crisis is banks giving huge mortgages for big houses consumers cannot honestly afford and then the interest rates went up and the housing values went down then it put those consumers in a lot of trouble. What didn’t help was some people at Wall Street taking those mortgages and investing them somewhere else to investors so when more people went bankrupt and foreclosed it brought more people into this mess.
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